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Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 28, 2016 2:33 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by ToddB [MN]) Apr 28, 2016 3:00 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 28, 2016 3:04 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 28, 2016 3:10 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Ken [NY]) Apr 28, 2016 3:13 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 28, 2016 3:30 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Lisa [CA]) Apr 28, 2016 4:40 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Apr 28, 2016 5:56 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Vee [OH]) Apr 28, 2016 7:17 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Apr 28, 2016 7:58 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 28, 2016 11:03 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 29, 2016 7:06 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Pattyk [MO]) Apr 29, 2016 7:32 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Pattyk [MO]) Apr 29, 2016 8:03 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 29, 2016 9:54 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 29, 2016 9:54 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Bit [IN]) Apr 29, 2016 1:01 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Apr 29, 2016 8:36 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Warren [FL]) Apr 30, 2016 9:24 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by mike [CA]) May 3, 2016 12:11 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Dean [IL]) May 3, 2016 12:28 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by nana&papa [IN]) May 3, 2016 12:51 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Warren631 [PA]) May 3, 2016 2:53 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Kathy B [CO]) May 3, 2016 3:49 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Clay P [GA]) May 3, 2016 5:51 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 4, 2016 1:01 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by art [AZ]) May 4, 2016 1:07 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Blaine, PA [PA]) May 4, 2016 9:09 AM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Nicole [PA]) May 4, 2016 6:02 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by warren631 [PA]) May 4, 2016 7:26 PM
       Rent increase turmoil (by Amy [MO]) May 5, 2016 11:45 AM


Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 2:33 PM
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It is fantastic LL times in our area. Available rentals are very limited. Rental prices have increased... Alot. We have been hands on do it all ourselves LL's 10 years now. We have never raised rent on a tenant only at turnover. And have been shocked at how low our rents must be increasing 50- 250 with absolutely no problem filling vacant homes.

But I now understand why we should do regular and consistent increases we have some tenants that have been with us for 8 years.

Their rent could be 250-300 below our current market. I have spent much time setting up a rent increase system and forms recreating the forms in attempt to make our tenants feel appreciated and respected but then I'm raising rent ? I have filled out the forms had them ready to mail and tore them up only to convince myself again this is our hard earned asset justify the increase to myself then redo the forms and not mail them. All increases are currently completed an waiting to be mailed. We have worked extremely hard to build this biz living on job sites in a camper rehabbing for quite a few years. Putting our all into this biz. Property management has been a challenge for my character... I do not want to cause anyone hardship by rent increases but I also do not want to cheat us. Please help me to decide what is fair for all involved here.

--166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by ToddB [MN]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 3:00 PM
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Set a limit such as anyone $100 below the market then raise them a set amount like $50. Make it super simple and just do it. You will be amazed that very few move and most won't say anything either. I know the agonizing we all do over this. Just don't make it a problem, make it a simple solution. --75.161.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 3:04 PM
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Raise the rent to the top of your market. Raise it all at once. No need to justify, explain, apologize, or tell tenant about how hard you have worked.

Raise the rent. It is a business, and one day you will need to lower your rent.

Whenever the market raises prices, you raise your prices. --72.172.xxx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 3:10 PM
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Thanks Todd and Sisco for telling me just what I need to hear your both right on thanks. Feeling better now ready to get this done. --166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 3:13 PM
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If the market dropped the tenant will move or ask for a reduction,it is going your way for once so take advantage of it.I have a friend who keeps rents too low by her own admission for years,we are talking 80 units,now she has roofs she can't replace and the city isn't being nice about it just because she kept the rents low.Also if the city enacts rent control it will be based on what the rents are now and you will be in long term trouble.If you raise enough rents someone can move and you still collect the same or more even with the one empty. --24.92.xx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 3:30 PM
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Wow Ken that's good insight. Your right about the one vacant and it would not stay vacant long anyways our area is extremely limited. We also are known as kind Reasonable LL's in our area. Sometimes I would prefer a hard nose label. Lol I have learned I have to run a tight ship to stay afloat. But prefer to do it with the utmost respect for others. Sorry to hear of your friend i will take her lesson forward with me and consider our future repairs needed. --166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Lisa [CA]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 4:40 PM
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I usually do a one year lease that goes month to month after that and the rent is raised 1.5 or 2 % every year automatically. I would make the percent higher, but all of my rents are $1500 and up. They sign up front, when they are new and eager to move in, and of course 1.5 to 2% is super reasonable, a kind of cost of living increase. It is in the lease agreement. If needed, I save major raises for when people move, or when utility rates jump like water in CA. It is also in the lease that a utility increase may result in an additional increase. Never had any complaints. I send a reminder a month before as they do forget. --76.90.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 5:56 PM
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If you're worried about tenants leaving, raise rents to just below market value. So, they may gripe, but they'll never find a cheaper place then go with the rental increase policy mentioned earlier. If they rebel, raise the rent to market and get a new tenant. --99.125.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 7:17 PM
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Keep reading here and look at the convention in 5 weeks, so much info to guide your freedom, tell the folks you need to raise the rent - down the road is getting 300 more - how much can you afford? We want to be fair but we now have property costs that have climbed out of our sight. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 7:58 PM
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Raise the rents to market level on the vacant rental units then raise the rents on the occupied rental units 2 to 3 per cent on the occupied rental units. Some may move then when the rental unit becomes vacant go to market level. The additional cash will help with repairs. Also look at separating all the utilities such as water, sewage charges, heat and electricity that way even at lower rent the rental units are competitive. When tenants pay directly for any utility the consumption drops dramatically as there is incentive to conserve. Take recycling if they have to pay a dollar or two for not recycling they adapt. This is business operation not a charity to lose money. Rental units need constant repairs and renovation. --74.220.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 28, 2016 11:03 PM
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You should have trained your tenants to accept each year a small rental increase. Now after so many years the tenants will think you are out for their blood and rebel or move out.

There are several ways to handle this situation. First you do not send everyone a rent increase at the same time other wise you may find your property empty..

Each time I've purchased a property with existing tenants that never had a rent increase, I've had to deal with this with "white gloves", an expression.

I first choose the tenants I don't like, had issues, pay the lowest rent and I don't mid if they move. I write them an advanced letter stating that my "Cost" have gone up over the years and I can no long operate with under market rents. Raise the rent to somewhere between the current rent amount and market rents. Give them like a 30 day notice.

Then after the 30 days if they do not pay the new rent on time, as stated in your letter, accept the rent they pay and give them a 3 day notice for the balance. Then have them pay the balance or evict them.

Then raise the rent for your second tenant, paying the second lowest rent... Continue each month until everyone pays a new higher rent.... THen a year from now, raise everyone on the anniversary of their rent increases a standard 10% until they reach close to market rates. --173.55.xxx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 7:06 AM
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Thanks to everyone for all the great advice it's so appreciated. I decided to take the big step I have mailed 50 % of our properties rent increase notices some being as much as 10% and up increases. Maybe alot but still under market price and they have saved with the lower rent for quite awhile now I have surely gotten the lesson of how important it is to do small increases on a consistent basis that would be much easier on me and them. I will let u all know the results increase verification and lease renewals are due back to us by June 6 increased rent price begins July 6.

Thanks again to all --166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Pattyk [MO]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 7:32 AM
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Cindy. It's a win win, those that move will be happy, the house you get back will get made move and nicer and the new tenant will be happy, this also is an opportunity for everyone! Rent on ! --66.87.xx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by Pattyk [MO]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 8:03 AM
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P.s. we may be soul sisters, i could have written your post myself! --66.87.xx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 9:54 AM
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Hey Patty soul sister ? Does this mean u struggle with the authority of being a landlady also ?

It's a balance right?

I have to treat all people with respect and fairness to be ok with myself its just the right thing to do.

But I also have to have a backbone and follow thru with policies and rules that keep our homes in decent condition guard us from the users and abusers and evict the ones that don't pay or play by the rules...

and keep the business cash flowing.

Hopefully the next rent increase will be easier for me .

Would love to compare policies and operating notes with you ! --166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 9:54 AM
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Hey Patty soul sister ? Does this mean u struggle with the authority of being a landlady also ?

It's a balance right?

I have to treat all people with respect and fairness to be ok with myself its just the right thing to do.

But I also have to have a backbone and follow thru with policies and rules that keep our homes in decent condition guard us from the users and abusers and evict the ones that don't pay or play by the rules...

and keep the business cash flowing.

Hopefully the next rent increase will be easier for me .

Would love to compare policies and operating notes with you ! --166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Bit [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 1:01 PM
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Wow, if you had 20 units $250 below market that's $60,000 a year in lost income :0

I love the idea of regular rent increases built into the lease. You can bet other businesses raise prices as the market allows ASAP. --74.130.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Cindy [IN]) Posted on: Apr 29, 2016 8:36 PM
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Whoa Bit your response is loud and clear.

I get it now for sure !!!!

Gosh why haven't I done that math !!!! And I thought I was doing good with this LL biz just keeping up and not getting walked on ... As much

Not all our homes are that low under market ...

this is such a fantastic biz lesson for me even tho I knew I should be raising rents I avoided it. I need to step up and handle what's uncomfortable at the time. I have my rent increase and lease renewal system set up now so it will be easy to do. And I'm doing it for sure!!!

Thanks everyone !

--166.137.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Warren [FL]) Posted on: Apr 30, 2016 9:24 AM
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Cindy. I was a pretty green landlord back in 2010 when I started to buy properties at a pretty good pace. I now own 10 small older buildings totaling about 50 units. I manage and maintain most of them myself with the help of some good tradesman and part time assistant. I take extremely good care of my buildings, and the good tenants.

One of the best things I learned from Jeff was that raising the rents every year was a necessity, not a luxury. Ss part of my move in speech they are told that rents do go up a little each year. That helps prepare them.

I raise rents on the anniversary of move-in by 2%-5% depending on market conditions and how good a tenant they are. Staggering the rents helps to control vacancies and complaint levels. I get a few but these are usually from the people that I would not care if they moved. Raising the rents every year instead of every 3 or 4 years also helps the tenants budget.

Last year I purchased a building where the rents were WAY under market value. I did a little work on the building and then raised everyone rent by at least 15%. It was still a good deal for them. I only had one tenant leave and I rented the apartment within two weeks at far more than I would have been getting.

It is one of the BEST things that I have done. Now if I can only get myself to file faster evictions. But I am getting there too.

You are doing the right thing for so many reasons. --67.245.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by mike [CA]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 12:11 PM
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years ago an old horse in the LL trade told me that he raised the rent yearly by the amount that he thought that the particular tenant spent on a decent restaurant meal. if the tenant was a Charthouse type...they got an $80 tag. a chili's type...$40. for the burger king type...not sure how that would shake out. the theory was that no one would move for the amount as it was not that great a burden and avoid a move-out.

in california i try to stay up on rents and have gone from the effort to be a good deal to not caring if my rent was the highest. my homes are well cared for and that takes money. those that want to pay less are welcome to seek other lodging.

taxes go up every year, insurance often does, my time gets more valuable every year and so the rents go up.

all that said i do try to plan the bumps to be convenient for me AND my schedule. --75.80.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Dean [IL]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 12:28 PM
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We start with a 1 year lease that reverts to month-to-month thereafter. We increase rents every year at least 1% but more likely 1.5-2.0% or more. We tell the residents it is a cost of living increase to keep up with the increasing costs of taxes, insurance, maintenance and to help us save up for improvements like a new roof, new appliances, and building repairs. We rarely have complaints but when we do, after talking to them about these things, they seem satisfied with the explanation. Our turnover is very low because we keep very nice properties and we do repairs immediately when needed, including replacing appliances or HVAC systems very quickly when needed. I think this adds to our credibility which enhances acceptance of the increases. --216.176.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by nana&papa [IN]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 12:51 PM
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Ditto what Dean said -- we raise rents every year in our apartment complexes. When we bought the complexes in 2009, the rents were too low and had not been raised on a regular basis. So we raised the rents $25 on the empties, and started raising rents on the current tenants on their anniversary date, but the current tenants pay LESS. We send a nice letter to the current tenants, thank them for being a long-time tenant, and explain we very carefully analyzed the previous year and in order to maintain and improve, we must raise their rent $5=10-15 (depending on the situation). We point out to them in the letter that new tenants pay MORE for a comparable apartment. We believe in rewarding our good long-time tenants for staying on with us. Turnovers cost money! We will ask if they need anything done -- paint a room, replace a vanity, etc. If they have been a problem tenant, (slow to pay, complain about every little thing) we may raise their rent more and sometimes they leave. But we say good riddance and look for a better tenant. We screen our tenants pretty rigorously, so we have fewer problems with them. Cindy, unless you are very lucky, and your taxes, insurance and upkeep costs go DOWN every year, you need to raise the rents a little bit every year. That way, you keep making money, can maintain your properties better, and your tenants will EXPECT the increase. --75.103.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Warren631 [PA]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 2:53 PM
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I just sent this to my tenants. What do you think?

Hi Guys,

The bad news: Expenses, property taxes, and property insurance keep rising so I need to raise the rent by 5% when your lease renews for the next year (new rent will be $1087 + $50 = $1137). You have had two years without any rent raise since you are good tenants so this is the same as only 2.5% per year. I don't expect we will need another raise next year.

The good news: The additional $50 each month will be put into a "house cleaning, improvement and redecoration savings account" held by me ("House Account") for you to spend for those house items. Just send me a receipt for any money you spend on house cleaning, improvement and redecoration for your home and I will reimburse you the cost and subtract it from your "House Account".

So you will have $600 per year to spend on house cleaning, improvements and redecoration of your home to keep it beautiful. This does not include appliance replacement or repairs. Any balance will roll over to the next year. If you leave with a balance in the "House Account" then you will loose it.

For example, if you want to buy some paint (neutral colors please) and brushes to redecorate and it costs $45 then just send me the receipt and I will reimburse you from your "House Account" if your balance exceeds $45. If you want to have your carpets cleaned and it costs $130 then send me the receipt and I will reimburse you when your "House Account" balance exceeds $130.

What do you think of this? I'm not sure how this will work - but let's give it a try starting when your lease renews.

Have a great day! --73.130.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Kathy B [CO]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 3:49 PM
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Warren631, although I appreciate your generosity, I wouldn't offer that to our tenants. We don't allow our tenants to paint or do any improvements. They all think they are experts but we've had some pretty sloppy paint jobs and poorly done projects. We'd rather do painting/improvements with our own employees that we know and trust. Also, we like to use the same paint color in all our units so wouldn't allow a tenant to choose their own paint. That's just our experience. I hope this works well for you. --162.212.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Clay P [GA]) Posted on: May 3, 2016 5:51 PM
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We are in a pretty strong market.

I wrote my lease to have an automatic renewal with an automatic rent increase of

____ 12%

__X_15%

____18%

Automatic rent increase.

No one has EVER made a comment on it.

THEN, when the anniversary comes around, i send them a note that says:

"We are very glad to have you as our client, and hope you want to continue to stay with us. What i would like to do is talk to you about whether you want to stay, and if you do, arrange the renewal.

The Lease states an automatic increase in the rent rate of 15%. We will reduce that rate for you if you renew. So let me know if that's what you want to do."

You won't believe how many people are grateful i got them just a 7% increase.

Every year.

if they a super tenants, i will do less.

And some are gonna move anyway.

PS. Tenant turnover is very expensive and very time consuming. Zero increase for a year or 2 is a very positive outcome.

--50.155.xx.xx




Rent increase turmoil (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 4, 2016 1:01 AM
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Timid landlords raise skinny kids.

Renters expect increases.

Rip the bandaid off- just raise the rent to current levels without the backpeddling.

Speak with confidence that costs have increased.

Fear of offending have cost your family THOUSAND$$$!

LLs falsely think they are buying loyalty or friendship. Then wonder why the res did not cooperate at move out.

We treat everyone with respect but MY family comes first with income. The purpose of rentals is to provide income, not be a charity.

Fair but firm.

BRAD

--73.146.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by art [AZ]) Posted on: May 4, 2016 1:07 AM
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About raising the rent! A good place to decide what market rents are in your area is to use – – RENTometer.com. You can put in the address of your given apartment or house, say what it is a two-bedroom or three-bedroom – – and then this website will give you a pretty good indication of what your property is currently worth compared to other competing properties. If you want to even get better will give you the addresses of the places that compared your property. Maybe you should drive by these comparable properties and get a good feeling about your own property is relative to these other places and after you look at 5 to 10 properties you will have an excellent feeling about what you should rent your property, and he in your market, at this time --24.251.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Blaine, PA [PA]) Posted on: May 4, 2016 9:09 AM
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To Warren 631

While I understand the words of your letter to tenants, I would not let my residents do anything to repair, paint, or to do anything else in my rentals because there is such a liability issue. If they paint your unit and happen to fall off of a ladder, you could be liable. If they do a repair, or get a "handyman" to fix something and something goes wrong you may end up repairing the item later on.

--76.98.xxx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: May 4, 2016 6:02 PM
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Warren - they will go to WalMart/K-Mart/Target and buy $xxx amount of items. they will give you the receipt and get you to reimburse them for those items. they will return the items and ...cha-ching. --72.95.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by warren631 [PA]) Posted on: May 4, 2016 7:26 PM
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I will check the work is being done. If I think I'm being scammed then I'll just cancel this trial for that tenant. I just want to give the tenants some ownership and pride in their home without much cost to me. I'm not being generous - they are now paying (and providing free labor) to clean and redecorate MY property. I would have to spend this money (plus labor) to have the redecoration and cleaning done anyway. So their work might not be perfect - but THEY are happy with it.

Re: liability - tenants can fall down your stairs and sue you anytime - but your liability should be covered in your lease. --73.130.xx.xxx




Rent increase turmoil (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: May 5, 2016 11:45 AM
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Hi Cindy, After you figure out how to raise the rents to market/ almost market value, I would check the cost of living index increase to see what it has been in your area for the past 2-3 years. Then you can set the future rent increases according to the percentage of that. Everything else rises, gas, electricity water(our water bill has doubled in the last 5 years) cost of materials, --you name it. You need to make sure that you can pay for the upkeep of your property or you will be forced to reduce rents because your unit isn't as nice as a landlord who had extra $$ from his higher rents to keep up with remodeling or repairs. I used to do what Warren suggested, but found that most tenants (my guess 95%) don't know what they are doing, and don't really care if they do a good job because they will always view your property as temporary anyway. It isn't theirs. You will spend extra $$ when they move out if the (brand new unchipped) paint is an awful color, etc. I use their remodeling "wants" as a possible "reup" negotiator if they are good tenants and are debating moving out, but I ALWAYS have my people do the work. --65.31.xxx.x





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